Wednesday, February 13, 2008

Democratic Nomination - Essentially settled

Well, last night we watched another sweep by Barack Obama and it appears he will take this streak all the way to the convention. It appears that the gears have stripped on the Clinton election machine.

We believe Obama will be the nominee and are supporting the campaign financially and through our physical efforts. I would urge you to go to the web site and sign up for email updates and, if you feel so moved, make a contribution - you can help change this country for the better.

In a way I feel sorry for Hillary, even though I consider the Clintons to be the sleaziest couple of liars I have ever seen. I should not feel any sympathy for her but, I see this as the culmination of her life long ambition to be the first female President and to change history. She lost her chance by making the wrong political choice to support the illicit war in Iraq, reliance on polling rather than saying what she really thinks, and attempting to inject race into this campaign. I feel bad for her but, good riddance to the Clintons! And, by-the-way, Obama is going to beat McCain like a drum!

3 comments:

Gayle said...

ok since you brought it up, i'm assuming it's ok to talk politics here....how is Obama going to pay for his big dream? He actually gave a number, anyone who makes over 75K a year will pay for it. That would be me and Steve, barely, and we're trying to save for our own two kids' educations in a Denver economy and housing market. We appreciate every tax break that we get, yet he would revoke them. Obama is a very seductive speaker, but in reality he can't possibly accomplish the things he envisions and promises. None of them can. I'm with you though on good riddance to the Clintons! And yahoo for Nader to join the race and split the dem vote! ;)

There are a lot of negs on Obama, as well as Hillary, ugh, and McCain as well. As a Republican I'm not super happy with this, should be a really fun year. Not.

The cult of Obama is a lil bit frightening to me though; he's so personable, but what he says is just clouds; impossible without really excessive taxation.

I have to say though, I'm having a great time watching Hillary flail. Peggy would agree with me I bet, we would love a good strong woman to win....Hillary does not fit the bill. oooh, sideways pun there? Could we all do without ever seeing Bill's face again?

Should be an interesting few months here anyway

All the best
Gayle

Gayle said...

Well crap, so much for sparking a debate, where are all those people up in arms saying "we didn't know you were democrats"? I guess the rest of your friends weren't as rabble roused as I was by the Obama stuff.

Peggy, you and Lloyd have worked as hard or harder than Steve and myself to get where you are, to be able to enjoy life while you're young enough to do it. You guys and your lifestyle and your net worth are diametrically opposed to Obama's rhetoric; Steve and my objective for our net worth in the next ten years is antithetical to what he is selling, too. Obama does not like you, he does not like me and steve; it's ok for him and his wife to be millionaires, but he will take it out on us in taxes, those of us who work hard and hope to retire with one single million.

What do you make of Michelle's comment that this is the first time in her life that she's been proud of being an American? To me that is total ignorant crap, I was 13 yrs old in Jakarta, Indonesia and realized how totally lucky i was to be an American. She's a complete ass to not see what she has, and I think Barack takes it all for granted too. To not appreciate what freedom gives you is the greatest disrespect for our country and what America is. I suspect that Michelle has not had to wipe her butt with coarse, inferior toilet paper in a foreign land or shoo 5" long cockroaches away from her children, or decide what to do with the frog that swam up the toilet in the middle of the night. I think the same thing of Hillary, she's seen but not lived another country's lifestyle and has no clue whatsoever. If they did go to Jakarta they had VIP toilet paper and didn't live in a compung like I did. I defy any of you to go live in Jakarta and not thank God that you can come home to the States.

I just get pissed off at people who don't understand how good we have it here and want to run America down. We're so mean, so rich, so egotistical and greedy, we have to feel guilty because our system works. I think I remember you saying that people in the middle east love to screw over Americans. Don't you think that's what's going on right now? What do you think their plan is? Because believe me they plan.....they don't give a crap about 5 yrs, they are thinking 20, 50, 100 yrs, and more; how else could they give up their children to carry bombs?

Then the "illicit" war in Iraq.....ummmm do we remember how Saddam kicked out the UN inspectors? and how many years we sat here patiently waiting for the UN to do something? Negotiating like dumbasses lalalalalala Until some planes flew into a few buildings? Illicit? I don't think so. Maybe ask the Kurds if they think antiquated mustard gas qualifies as WMD. Thousands died, and horribly, I would call that "mass destruction". We didn't make this stuff up, and "illicit" is not the right word for this war.

Ok, and Obama's plan is to pull the troops out of Iraq and put them into Pakistan. Oh that's bright, did he hear that we haven't been invited in yet? Where the F does he think bin laden's been hanging out lately and why haven't we been able to go over that border? He's really a novice, living on dreams. All and good till you have to wake up and smell reality. He's a very seductive speaker, but not at all in the real world as far as I see. Ok, and since he's so anti invasion of Iraq, is he really going to authorize invasion of Pakistan?

I'm so confused.

I've blathered on enough....

ttys
Gayle




Gayle Corwin

noproblema said...

So here's big mouth gayle ;)

"I'm happy to have the discussion with you. More people should be talking about this. You are really thinking about the issues."

so much for sparking a debate, where are all those people up in arms saying we didn't know you were democrats?

"The ones we have been talking too aren't voting Republican this year for the most part. I have one girlfriend who is voting for Hillary.....can't seem to change her mind. But I am still working on it."

I guess the rest of your friends weren't as rabble roused as I was by the Obama stuff.

"Yea, me thinks you have been listening to talk radio too much. Once I turned off the radical right (Rush Limbaugh in particular) a few years ago, and started to do my own research and listen to all the ideas out there, I started to realize there was a real debate going on as to where the country was going and multiple sides to every idea. We started to see that things were different. Old George Bush morphed into a totally different person once he took office. Corporate America is pulling his strings....big time....and we can't forget the war machine. He had a campaign promise to not do 'nation building' and what does he do? Trumps up a story that allowed him to go into Iraq, a country that had NOTHING to do with 9-11, all for him and his oil buddies to go after oil, and what ever else they had in mind. OBL is still alive and well, hundreds of thousands have had their lives forever changed or ended, billions of our dollars spent that could have been used here, and Americans will be paying for this war forever. You talk about taxes going up, wait until the 'due date' on the war bill hits us."

Peggy, you and Lloyd have worked as hard or harder than Steve and myself to get where you are, to be able to enjoy life while you're young enough to do it. You guys and your lifestyle and your net worth are diametrically opposed to Obama's rhetoric; Steve and my objective for our net worth in the next ten years is antithetical to what he is selling, too. Obama does not like you, he does not like me and steve; it's ok for him and his wife to be millionaires, but he will take it out on us in taxes, those of us who work hard and hope to retire with one single million.

"See this where we differ, Gayle. Years ago we bought into the conservitive rhetoric. We saw some areas that taxes went down, but over all the cost of living went up (hidden taxes are only partly to blame) which didn't hurt the higher income people, just the little guy. Corporate executive salaries have gone through the roof. (This is the modern day organized crime and is ripping off the stock holders...people like you and me. More on this later.) Warren Buffet is right, (do some reading about him and see what his ideas are on taxation, he is a very smart man) there is no reason on earth for the wealthy to not pay more, proportionately to their income. Because they have money, they can figure out ways to Not Pay Taxes, so the tax burden falls to the middle class. Trickle down economics have not worked. Tax loop holes have to be plugged. The Republicans were going fix all this when the so called "revolution" started back in Newt's day. Special interest groups are still running things, nothing has changed except that you and I have a smaller percentage of our income to spend, invest, save, etc. This is where we hold out hope on Obama. He appears to be able to bridge the gap and may be able to get a dysfunctional group of elected officials to work together for the good of the people, instead of warring about getting re-elected, pleasing some special interest group, etc. etc. Congress has lost their way, and a new, fresh face may be the only hope we have for a better life."

What do you make of Michelle's comment that this is the first time in her life that she's been proud of being an American?

"I know what she said but, I also know that is not what she meant. How do I know that? Easy - the comment was damaging to the Obama campaign and she would not intentionally damage the campaign. She is an inexperienced politician who, while caught up in the moment, was using hyperbolie to make a point and it came out horribly wrong. I am not surprised at the reaction she got for that comment. Most of the problem with the speech came from the radical right who saw the misstep as an opportunity to pile on. I believe what she was really saying was she was proud of the moment, when American politics and society as a whole have evolved to the point a black and a woman could actually be running for president, and have a real shot at being elected. I agree with her. Lets face it, our history hasn't always given America a bright and shiny image."

To me that is total ignorant crap, I was 13 yrs old in Jakarta, Indonesia and realized how totally lucky i was to be an American. She's a complete ass to not see what she has, and I think Barack takes it all for granted too. To not appreciate what freedom gives you is the greatest disrespect for our country and what America is. I suspect that Michelle has not had to wipe her butt with coarse, inferior toilet paper in a foreign land or shoo 5" long cockroaches away from her children, or decide what to do with the frog that swam up the toilet in the middle of the night. I think the same thing of Hillary, she's seen but not lived another country's lifestyle and has no clue whatsoever. If they did go to Jakarta they had VIP toilet paper and didn't live in a compung like I did. I defy any of you to go live in Jakarta and not thank God that you can come home to the States.

"I am assuming that you were there because of military? If so, that is another disgrace our country has on the list of things to improve. The military has been treated soooooo very bad. From living conditions to pay, to reneging on benefits, etc. etc......"

I just get pissed off at people who don't understand how good we have it here and want to run America down.

"Michelle Obama isn't any different than any other person. She has kids, works a job, and is a wife,....she just happens to be running to be First Lady. She started out very disadvantaged and used her own skills to improve her life. I don't think for one minute, that a black woman doesn't understand the advantages she has as an American. However, if she were to live in Europe, the discrimination she still faces on a daily basis wouldn't be quite as bad. None of us can even begin to imagine what it is like to be black. It breaks my heart to think my darling niece who is multi-racial, in this day and time, there are still bigoted people out there (some are even in my family) who would judge her as being a second class citizen, just because of the color of her skin (which by the way is beautiful). You, nor I, can even come close to understanding what it is like to have a double whammy on us (black and female) and growing up in the society she grew up in."

We're so mean, so rich, so egotistical and greedy, we have to feel guilty because our system works.

"We have been fooled into thinking it works. But who does it really work for? AND why can't the 'system' be better and or more fair? It can, it just takes people willing to sit down and make it better."

I think I remember you saying that people in the middle east love to screw over Americans. Don't you think that's what's going on right now?

"Yep, I sure do, they (Arab leaders) have figured out how to get the Americans to do the dirty work for them, spend our money to protect them from the dictators and other despots who want to run the world. My question is why don't they spend their own money, and spill their own blood to build a better world for themselves? Why do they need us to do it for them?"

What do you think their plan is? Because believe me they plan.....they don't give a crap about 5 yrs, they are thinking 20, 50, 100 yrs, and more; how else could they give up their children to carry bombs.

"Gayle, the people who let their family members wear bombs, are misguided...they are controlled by leaders who have filled their head with what the after life has for them. Also families are compensated with large sums of money when a member straps on the bombs. Poverty, and hopelessness is a huge motivator for much of the problems in the world. And, when you really take a close look, it is rarely the families encouraging their son's to blow themselves up. No parent wants their kid to do that. These are impressionable teenage boys who, having no hope for the future (and probably no girlfriends), are manipulated by religious nuts."

Then the "illicit" war in Iraq.....ummmm do we remember how Saddam kicked out the UN inspectors? and how many years we sat here patiently waiting for the UN to do something? Negotiating like dumbasses lalalalalala Until some planes flew into a few buildings?

"Those planes flew into those buildings because OBL set it up. Our govt. Geo. Bush and Chaney, knew Saddam didn't have anything to do with it, but used the death of 3000 Americans as an excuse to invade Iraq. The UN and the rest of the world had that little dictator in a box. Was he a bad man, yes but, he didn't have anything to do with 9-11. Nor did he have the weapons of mass destruction. All of this was an excuse for our government to get a country in the middle east so they could control the oil in the area. Oh, yea, I forgot.....we, our government, put him in power, gave him weapons, money, backed him, trained him and looked the other way when he did his terrorist war on his own people and Iran, because he was useful to us. When he invaded Kuwait, our govt. went , uh oh....this guy is getting too big for his britches. Oil was in danger.... Do you see our govt., NATO, UN, etc doing anything about the mass murders going on in Africa? There are atrocities much worse than what Hitler did going on there, yet nothing is going on to stop it...just a few movie stars trying to get the world leaders to pay attention. BUT, if there were oil there, you can bet we would be over there in mass."

Illicit? I don't think so. Maybe ask the Kurds if they think antiquated mustard gas qualifies as WMD. Thousands died, and horribly, I would call that "mass destruction". We didn't make this stuff up, and "illicit" is not the right word for this war.

"Yes, the Kurds did experience Sadam, but they aren't the only country to have their on "Sadam". The difference is our government hasn't chosen to help them. Looks raciest to me.......and, yes it was made up. Bush and his cronies made up plenty of stuff to justify the invasion."

Ok, and Obama's plan is to pull the troops out of Iraq and put them into Pakistan. Oh that's bright, did he hear that we haven't been invited in yet? Where the F does he think bin laden's been hanging out lately and why haven't we been able to go over that border? He's really a novice, living on dreams. All and good till you have to wake up and smell reality. He's a very seductive speaker, but not at all in the real world as far as I see. Ok, and since he's so anti invasion of Iraq, is he really going to authorize invasion of Pakistan?

"Obama didn't say he would station troops in Pakistan, or invade. He said he would take action if intelligence gave the location of OBL and Pakistan failed to act. And, reality is, that is exactly what Bush finally did right after Obama made that statement. They didn't get OBL, but they did get a bunch of bad guys. And, they did get the attention of the Paki's who now are even more aggressive to get the bad guys. Bush wouldn't listen to the military leaders, didn't have a plan to end the war, and the end result is we are mired down in a war with no exit plan. Obama says we need to change the mind-set of war, we need to talk to those with whom we disagree. Are we to assume the only right way is our government's present way? Talk never killed anyone.
As I see it, we have had the traditional, Democrats and Republicans doing the same old thing for as long as I can remember.... If we keep electing the same old polititions, we are going to keep getting the same old crap. Let's try something new and see what happens. Obama can't do anything unless congress signs on. The checks and balances are there. The health care issue is huge. Gayle, I will never forget the look of fear in my mother's eyes, when she was told she had cancer, and her insurance wouldn't even cover enough of the hospital bill that she had paid out in premiums over the years. Lloyd and I paid her medical bills, that was a turning point for me. My brother-in-law nearly died because the insurance company didn't want to pay for his kidney transplant... they eventually did after attorneys got on their case, but they waited so long to finally agree to pay that he now has irreparable muscle damage and can barely get around. Had the ins. co. acted when first contacted about the surgery, he wouldn't be disabled. I know people, lots of them, more than you can even imagine who won't go to the doctor for prevention, or treatment, because they can't pay for it. Those that say they can get free medical, have never tried to get it. The plans that Hillary and Obama, or even John Edwards have been pitching aren't what will be the final outcome. It will take several years of working on it, exploring all ideas before the final product comes out. Paying for it is a problem, but if we aren't pouring 12 billion dollars a month into Iraq, we can pay for everything without any trouble. Bridges, roads, tunnels, infrastructure are in terrible shape, money to pay for it can come from the same war savings. And it will put people here in the US to work. On illegal immigration, it is wrong. BUT, we need a way to get the people we need to do the jobs these guys do by creating a guest worker program that works. Oh, and we can't forget education. We have to stop the re-writing of scientific papers, and the muzzling of our scientists. We have to take the restrictions off stem-cell research and let the researchers do their jobs. That is a huge problem, and something we know a great deal about. Then we have a problem of personal rights....the Supreme Court, women's rights, rights to privacy, freedom of speech, etc..etc...etc."

I'm so confused.

"Don't feel confused. Read everything you can, stay away from talk radio, check out what you are told and see if it is right, and you will soon find out there is a different world out there. It is amazing to talk to people and just let them tell you what they are thinking. I have participated in polls, and even 4 internet town hall/ forums and was blown away by things people were saying. How uninformed they were on just how our government is set up. Just talking to our granddaughter (age 22 and graduates from college this year) was eye-opening. I hope I remain open-minded and unaffected by the rhetoric that is spouted by politicians and those with hidden agendas. I do feel the voter is better informed now. However, there is way too many that believe everything they read and think it is true just because it is on the internet."

I've blathered on enough....

ttys
Gayle

"I have enjoyed the chance for this conversation. I hope I have made sense."

Peggy